An Extrapolation on Inter-Clan Politics

[An FL Member]

Also, for the "hunchie" quote. The mech is not what creates the lag, but i will point out that some mechs have bad hit boxes (Glad, and Hunchie among others) that make it harder to hit the CT. Fak uses these mechs because it IS a fair advantage because the mechs were made to have that to balance them. To some players (often new ones) this appears to be lag (Eg: you shoot what would be the CT on some mechs, but it takes LT damage).

I'm not trying to say that he never has lag problems, but there are other factors that should be taken into account.

[jim]

well cobra savage has a point, you didnt identify yourself until i posted your identity.

and as far as the sheild is concerned, it checks your varient folder for mechs with obvious trainer characteristics.my program finds these while you are in the lobby, you are dead wrong when you say it onlyt detects on joining the game, my program detects them when you join the server, not the game

you dont know what your talking about

it "sniffs" out illegal subsystems such as jump jets on a daishi
what it "looks" for and what it "finds" are very specific.
and if you dont have anything other than the files installed of your mercs CD then you wont ever trip it

if you do trip it its because you have a hacked varient in that folder.
youve offered several excuses such as mekpak crack, and NBT install and both have been tested and DO NOT TRIP THE SHEILD

so what we are left with is the very real event where fakean was detected with a hack.

you say the program is flawed but offer no proof whatsoever that that is true.

ive used this program for years, its never been wrong

fakean is a hack using cheat, and he knows it, and everyone else knows it.

[jim]

i want to make another point about the sheild.
in the many years ive used it, ive never had a false catch.
people like Mr Spock and StarWarrior have NEVER tripped it
people like Savage and Robin have NEVER tripped it

i could list every "known" name here with the same result

what are the odds cobra, what are the odds that of all the known names it has caught, its caught Fakean, who has been accused of hacking by many people lately. ?

wake up cobra

the odds are astronomical that the one player every one is suspicious of, is the one tag wearing player whos been caught.

like i said hes a cheater

i would not have gone down this path if i were 99 percent sure
but i am 100 percent sure of this, the maths and logic are beyond reproach.

[An FL Member]

Well, I have made some mistake throughout this conversation, I will admit.

I will no longer be posting here, it is obvious that you're not going to be persuaded, and nor am I. I will admit that is DOES look suspicious, but I will never believe that is using hacks. Watching the WPPC duels really proved it to me, he creamed them all. There were 5 observers who saw nothing other then a duel between honest players. No flying daishis, no BKs with 6 gause rifles. After the rounds that i stayed for, I asked him for his loadout, and it matched what I saw ingame, and his damage output.

Thank you for helping me better understand the anti-hacking software used in mercs as well as watching what I say during an argument better.

[jim]

oh for goodness sakes flying daishi's went out with vengance
they are too obvious.

of course you saw nothing odd the other day, why would he do anything but use legal varients when under the spotlight.

geez thats a no brainer.

i say again its against all the odds that the one tagged player who gets caught by the sheild IS ALSO the same player that everyone else suspects is cheating.

he couldnt be THAT unlucky. the explaination is a simple one

hes a cheater

[savage]

If I were to take into account only those fishy things I find suspicious all I would have are suspicions and a large question mark. However there's more to it.

It's already been established that he lags to a degree that borders on insanity and rather than take steps to mitigate the situation he goes in the complete opposite direction and comes up with ways to EXPLOIT it. As if this wasn't bad enough by itself it turns out he's on a LAN where at least 3 other computers share the connection but apparently even THAT doesn't generate enough lag so he has to que up fat downloads as well. Then he creates configs that take advantage of it. My Hunchie quote about the lag has nothing to do with hit boxes or damage locations. It has to do with the fact that I would see him run in place for like 3 seconds then warp off in some seemingly random direction. I'd see him take a fat alpha and fall down but take no damage.

It's not a matter of my mind being so made up that I'm unwilling to listen to facts. I just have yet to see any that plausibly explain what I myself have seen. If you can't provide any maybe it IS just best for you to give up.

As far as his insanely good ratios go, I'll grant you that it's possible to achieve this without using hacks. It's called "poaching". This in itself is not cheating but its relevance lies in being one more aspect that demonstrates the kind of person he is. His definition of "teamwork" is "you guys do all the work and I'll sit back and collect the rewards then smirk to myself how awesome I am and how much they all suck." You guys probably don't see much of this because you all wear the FL tags. Professional courtesy, you see. It's the rest of us poor slobs who bear the brunt of this douchebaggery.

So when I look at the "poaching" thing and I look at how he deliberately creates as much lag as possible then designs configs to exploit that and add in his general attitude towards other players and I'm forced to come to the conclusion that in his own mind he's the greatest pilot to ever play this game and he'll do ANYTHING he can get away with to prove it to everyone else and, more importantly, himself.

The fact of the matter is his integrity only begins where what he can get away with ends. If he's NOT hacking it's only because he can't find any and even then it's probably only a matter of time anyway.

[Tasha Yar]

Heres another one to ponder. This one was tripped on [SF]Defiant

2006-08-12 06:57:10 - 016C0CC0: {FL} Fakean: 67.101.4.33: Illegal Variant Detected!

[Jim]

Thanks tash,
well thats two different servers and sheilds.

again unlike mercsheild that detects hacks when you join the game, our sheilds detect them in the lobby, and this catches cheaters by surprise.

and as savage as said its more about the obvious intent displayed by such things as smurfing on the wppc servers and running Dloads in background.
as a sakhan he should know better, HE DOES KNOW BETTER,
he knows full well that deliberatly causing extra lag is not in keeping with the spirit of fair play most of us expect from our fellow players.

his actions have shown that he is in his heart a cheater by nature.

but again what can i say no one can be that unlucky to have tripped the sheilds AND be accused en mass of cheating by people who are seeing it with their own eyes.

where theres smoke theres fire
the smoke is the ppl calling him cheat and hacker in the games, the fire is the server log that detected the hacks

[James Tiberius Kirk]

ok fakean responded with the typical logic of the guilty
in his response he says that ive made the log entrys up, but thats not true the log entrys are real and not "made up"
he then goes on to use his so called logic to suggest that im the one whos a hacker and has banned me from FL servers. lol

couple of points, ive never tripped the mercsheilds on any of the servers ive played on since 2004 and you can bet if i ever had. i would be in twice the hot water he is in now.
secondly im not the one caught smurfing on another server and using DL's to lag the connection. in fact those same ppl can confirm that when i recentley joined their server for a match i disconnected and reconnected because i had forgotton to take enterprise down, and had to do so before i reconnected, which i stated to them in chat at the time.
i am scrupulous when it comes to minimising un needed process prior to playing.
im not the one ppl have been accusing of being a hacker during games lately, that would be fakean the same fakean who tripped the sheilds

one of us is a cheater and one of us isnt.

im comfortable with public opinion here

ive Always stood for a fair game (take a look at our code of conduct)

youve always been sus and have actually been caught smurfing and deliberatly creating lag, youve also been caught by the sheilds

i havent

it reminds me of an episode of south park "your a towel"

people will compare our code of conduct with your post boasting why you hack.

they know who the cheater is

[James Tiberius Kirk]

and this via email


"after seeing the posts, and reading your forums, and reviewing our MW4 monitor logs has also banned FL as a group from our 3 servers. We saw several cases of Illegal Variants..such as BAP hack, ERL hack..etc...

I personally witnessed the hacks last week when my solid workhorse Victor died 5 times in a row to Fakean's 3erl scat. Not that I am one one the greatest pilots out there...but really.....after the 4th or 5th alpha to his scat...and he still running around....hmmmmmmm.

Anyway, just wanted you to know our take on it.."

more or less mirrors what im seeing in the other emails.

and again i ask you to consider this, against the logs

what are the chances that the same person whos been accused of hacking by the players has also tripped our sheilds with this

2007-02-26 06:56:44 - 018215B0: {FL} Fakean: 67.101.3.213: Illegal Variant Detected!

even if the above wasnt concrete cold fact

the following extract from the wppc servers

"Fakean under different names (off the top of my head I think Fishhead, hande and Toasty) had very BAD ping problems up to 1300, At the time I did not know who it was, I only knew it was a player with BAD ping that would take NO damage in a small mech (hunchback or scat) Folks were getting angry each time and many times I kicked the player with the huge ping. After a few days of this the player told me he was Fakean and he was either downloading some HC files or someone else on his connection was downloading something.

My point is Fak knew that this was causing problems and urking folks because of his damage. I think if ANY PLAYER knows he is downloading something, or sees his/her ping is over 1k, he/she should take a break from MW to make things fair."

is justification enough to ban him

fakean posts

"IMHO its not hard to see why the players who only play PR1 have no sense of honor dignity and are very lacking in playing skill. "

how bloody rich is that

the same guy caught cheating, on multiple occassions on multiple servers tells us we have no skill or honour

so hes now banned from servers who take cheating seriously

[James Tiberius Kirk]

Savage makes another good point at the WoF forums today

"While it's true that DFA lags horribly for me I must say, in light of the evidence I've seen lately, that I'm convinced it would be be no where near as bad were it not for those players who deliberately manufacture it whilst on the server.

There are both benefits and drawbacks to lag and were the equation roughly equal I could easily live with it. It's when the scales are tripped so dramatically in one or the other direction that I start to realize that it's not all happenstance and there's something fishy going on."

on that point let me just draw a little picture of how the server works.

at the start of the game the server has a little file for each player and each player has a copy of this file.
as the game progresses damage takes place and the server calculates this by adjusting each file accordingly, it also adjusts the file on your PC so they match, this server calculates the damage for everyone and then runs around in a little loop updating each persons file. it sends the data up to each PC and does whats called a parity check ie it gets the pc to confirm the data it sent is the same, if because the PC on the other end is not responding it tries again and again, but eventually it drops this packet of damage and moves on.

if some one playing mercs is deliberatly engineering their PC to cause this problem ie running a download or three in background while they play they cause this parity fail and subsequently they take less damage.

now this from the WPPC forums

"Fakean under different names (off the top of my head I think Fishhead, hande and Toasty) had very BAD ping problems up to 1300, At the time I did not know who it was, I only knew it was a player with BAD ping that would take NO damage in a small mech (hunchback or scat) Folks were getting angry each time and many times I kicked the player with the huge ping. After a few days of this the player told me he was Fakean and he was either downloading some HC files or someone else on his connection was downloading something.

My point is Fak knew that this was causing problems and urking folks because of his damage. I think if ANY PLAYER knows he is downloading something, or sees his/her ping is over 1k, he/she should take a break from MW to make things fair."


there is no doubt in my mind that fakean is deliberatly stuffing up everyones game for his own purpose.

normally the server only makes one transaction as it updates each players file, keeping them in parity with the server file.
seven players, seven transactions.
but when someone is playing silly buggers like fakean by running downloads in the background the server may try 3 or 4 times to update his file before giving up (and not scoring the damage)
seven players,but ten transactions at the server end.

Its just not on, it ruins the game for everyone and ill quote the WPPC again


"My point is Fak knew that this was causing problems and urking folks because of his damage. I think if ANY PLAYER knows he is downloading something, or sees his/her ping is over 1k, he/she should take a break from MW to make things fair."

of course fakean has an answer to all this evidence

"IMHO its not hard to see why the players who only play PR1 have no sense of honor dignity and are very lacking in playing skill. "

this is why, this is why, this is why i ban

[James Tiberius Kirk]

classic example of how serious gamers do everything thaty can to REDUCE lag

www.killernic.com/?gclid=CNCutI2l65ECFREcagod1kX0xQ

not cause it on purpose like fakean the cheater


ps ive had emails from 2 other hosts who say the ban button is waiting for him at their servers

[Star Warrior]

Hey Guys and Fakers. Part of fun is skill, and bring blow-up. There is no fun I would think in bring bullit proof. It is a game. True some times we cheated because they are better then me. Hey practice, and build your self a good mech. Building a good mech is hardwork, and fun. Mech Warrior is a fun game. I don't like to see Any Mech Fakers using illegal mechs as it also throws out the whole team points, score, and winning a good hot game of skill. Team work is out the window. You guys are ruining the game. We win some, and we lose some. This is life in the real world. If you cheat in this game your cheating in real life. Your bring dis-honest. I really dislike shooting some one 4 times with 4 Lbx's and no damage is done to them. The game may be a game, but your cheating everyone in the game. Like loaded dice, or marked playing card. Some people live bring cheats. Too bad! Try some new.... Be honest Star Warrior

[Star Warrior]

starwarrior said:

Hey Guys and Fakers. Part of fun is skill, and bring blow-up. There is no fun I would think in bring bullit proof. It is a game. True some times we cheated because they are better then me. Hey practice, and build your self a good mech. Building a good mech is hardwork, and fun. Mech Warrior is a fun game. I don't like to see Any Mech Fakers using illegal mechs as it also throws out the whole team points, score, and winning a good hot game of skill. Team work is out the window. You guys are ruining the game. We win some, and we lose some. This is life in the real world. If you cheat in this game your cheating in real life. Your bring dis-honest. I really dislike shooting some one 4 times with 4 Lbx's and no damage is done to them. The game may be a game, but your cheating everyone in the game. Like loaded dice, or marked playing card. Some people live bring cheats. Too bad! Try something new.... Be honest Star Warrior

[Star Warrior]

starwarrior said:

starwarrior said:

Hey Guys and Fakers. Part of fun is skill, and bring blow-up. There is no fun I would think in bring bullit proof. It is a game. True some times we cheated because they are better then me. Hey practice, and build your self a good mech. Building a good mech is hardwork, and fun. Mech Warrior is a fun game. I don't like to see Any Mech Fakers using illegal mechs as it also throws out the whole team points, score, and winning a good hot game of skill. Team work is out the window. You guys are ruining the game. We win some, and we lose some. This is life in the real world. If you cheat in this game your cheating in real life. Your bring dis-honest. I really dislike shooting some one 4 times with 4 Lbx's and no damage is done to them. The game may be a game, but your cheating everyone in the game. Like loaded dice, or marked playing card. Some people live bring cheats. Too bad! Try something new.... Be honest Star Warrior[/quote]